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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:59 pm    Post subject: Shammie spec help Reply with quote

Hey guys,

Just wanted to discuss some of your specs, and what you think would be good for the future. I want to raid, but am nervous about being gimped for grinding..

thoughts?

Right now I am enhance, resto up to natures swiftness, and elem up to clearcast, which is nice, but I seem to hit really weak now, I used to use rockbiter all the time and seemed to get better hits :shrug:
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you have Bipa's 2H weapon, get DW if you are going for enhancement.

For grinding, I have been doing fine with restoration spec and Earth Shield. Just grab +spell damage item here and there and you will be set. for spamming Lightning bolt.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Earthshield <3! Reply with quote

*shrug* Full restro to earthshield, with crusader and the 2 melee darkmoon cards (hero & mael) in my MP/5 gear I grind non stop. Only healing randomly with NS + greater when I pull groups.

Solo I have aoe'd 20+ saytrs in felwood, most I have tried in Winterspring is 5 winterfalls. (ax and board set up)

With the rockbiter changes I have not been using it at all anymore.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Earthshield <3! Reply with quote

Onthar wrote:
*shrug* Full restro to earthshield, with crusader and the 2 melee darkmoon cards (hero & mael) in my MP/5 gear I grind non stop. Only healing randomly with NS + greater when I pull groups.

Solo I have aoe'd 20+ saytrs in felwood, most I have tried in Winterspring is 5 winterfalls. (ax and board set up)

With the rockbiter changes I have not been using it at all anymore.

XoXo,
Onth


Damn...what kind of damage do you do with 1h weap? i have trouble getting my 1h weap + shield to get over 100 dps even in full enhance gear. Do you use your melee as your source of damage?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also having trouble with the DW. I have a fast main and a slower off hand. 1.5 main, and 2.00 off to be exact. Trouble - in the sense that my play style is all thrown to hell. I was used to (as an enhancement shammy) slugging it out with mobs, mixing in heals, and gear as and adapting to the threats. So equiping a 2h and wailing on a caster, and then the shield and 1h with Flame Weapon buff for mobs with armor, using more casting attacks on them... this method worked great for mobs or PvP... I just don't know what to do with DW. Mobs seem to melt away if they are kinda like rogues, but if they have armor they beat my ass, if they are casters they seem to be able to fuck with me more than if I just equip a 2h. The only place I've seen it work out great is when I'm in a party or raid... I feel like I'm actually adding DPS to kills. 2h was so slow, that unless it was a big slow mob with a ton of HP I'd rarely get a WF off. And wearing a shield nerf'd my dps so much it was kinda pointless to get in the mix. Now it's like blam blam blam blam blam!!! crit crit crit!!! and it's a ton of fun. Can't see much use other than that - so far for me DW is only useful when we have enough healers that I can do DPS in raids/parties... I wonder if that was the intention?

blah blah blah lol it's a slow work day.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice that I don't even hit for 100 when they have armor. One thing that has helped me out is my current setup for pvp. Makes it a lot of fun. I go in, can beat on them while I am hitting them decently with my shocks, get clearcast, hit, ns, heal myself, keep up my lightning shield and I'm ok. If I don't have a shield though.. bye bye manga.. I have a nice 2 hander that I can't use.. maybe I'll try it out with fiery or frost enchant Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't raided yet, don't think it will be too much different, except I think I'll run out of mana healing Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eternalstyle wrote:
I'm also having trouble with the DW. I have a fast main and a slower off hand. 1.5 main, and 2.00 off to be exact. Trouble - in the sense that my play style is all thrown to hell. I was used to (as an enhancement shammy) slugging it out with mobs, mixing in heals, and gear as and adapting to the threats. So equiping a 2h and wailing on a caster, and then the shield and 1h with Flame Weapon buff for mobs with armor, using more casting attacks on them... this method worked great for mobs or PvP... I just don't know what to do with DW. Mobs seem to melt away if they are kinda like rogues, but if they have armor they beat my ass, if they are casters they seem to be able to fuck with me more than if I just equip a 2h. The only place I've seen it work out great is when I'm in a party or raid... I feel like I'm actually adding DPS to kills. 2h was so slow, that unless it was a big slow mob with a ton of HP I'd rarely get a WF off. And wearing a shield nerf'd my dps so much it was kinda pointless to get in the mix. Now it's like blam blam blam blam blam!!! crit crit crit!!! and it's a ton of fun. Can't see much use other than that - so far for me DW is only useful when we have enough healers that I can do DPS in raids/parties... I wonder if that was the intention?

blah blah blah lol it's a slow work day.


Try switching for slow main hand and fast offhand. In my experience playing with DW a little bit, flametongue on mainhand + frostbrand on offhand give pretty nice sustain damage. You can try WF on mainhand and rockbitter on offhand. WF on both, or Rock on both...many combo you can try Smile 2 slow weap seems to work well too.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Drag, I've been mixing it up with good results.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My shaman's been using DW for a bit now. My advice is get 2 slow one handers and go with double WF. Or try WF on main hand and either flametongue and rockbiter on the OH weap.

I've also tried, and enjoyed, slow MH with WF, and fast OH with flametongue. I thought that worked really well also. I did like slow MT and fast OH with double wf as well.

Just remember to hit SS whenever it comes up for more dps. SS actually benefits more from 2 slow 1her's cause it's an instant attack and both weaps hit at the same time.

Anyway, hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

btw here is my spec

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?0000000000000000000005050001550013053115105005000000000000000

here is what i'm aiming for when lvl 70

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-shaman/talents.html?0000000000000000000005050021550213053115105005051000000000000
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One suggestion for your first spec:

Take Nature's Guidance please! The 3% to hit is a big boost to your dps and you'll notice way less misses. I personally think this is better than the added AP from unleashed rage and mana regen from shamanistic rage. I'd also look into Ancestral Knowledge for the mana boost over shield specialization -- you will be using SS and DW'ing most of the time anyway.

The downside to this is you'll have to drink more if you're grinding by yourself but I find it a bit better than not having the extra +3% to hit.

Anyway, good luck!
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